Given the anti mask rallies in Melbourne last weekend and that they grew out of similar rallies in the US, as reported in the media here, I wonder if we will see in-store idiots like these people in a Florida Target store a day ago. I know plenty of retailers who have had to deal with individuals. A group this size is a whole other thing.
#idiots
Idiots.
No worse than BLM rallies , but then that was ok wasn’t it
Anti maskers in plenty of US states as well as in Victoria are breaking the law. The Black Lives Matter protests did not break the law.
Actually in Melbourne they did break the law as no mass group protests were allowed except the Premire Andrews “allowed” this one and the results are ongoing.
Frankly, I hardly think it rates as a comparison.
Compare the situation to Sweden and you’ve got apples to apples.
Graeme, the court actually approved it, not the Premier. News Corp really has a lot to answer for in its misleading ‘reporting’.
As I said it’s not a comparison and to use it as Ken has BLM is selective. Any Group meeting should have been banned as for BLM sorry it’s true but it was selective when ALM All lives Matter. it’s about time society stopped being so “precious” about “their” petty issues when it is ALL that matters.
divisions are just that, divisive.
I disagree Graeme. The treatment of black people here in Australia and in the US has been and is appalling. The all lives matter pitch is, in my view, inappropriate.
Left wing bigotry. Ya’ gotta’ love it.
BUT true – it’s time we were one -people if we were we wouldn’t discriminate by discriminating we are fuelling the debate .
this is not healing it is dividing. Humans are people Black is just a colour and so is white let’s get to what is people and get rid if the discrimination all together. it’s a pity that people still want to take sides as this fuels the very problem that they protest against.
One of the BLM Co founders was on TV the other night stating that her agenda was to destroy capitalism and create a Marxist society. Unfortunately the politics behind this only dilutes the effectiveness of the BLM movement.
The violence that has occurred in the US under the pretex of BLM protests has done nothing to assist racial discrimination .
In Australia the flying of the Aboriginal flag from almost all government buildings and many others perplexes me. They fly their flag but really it’s just window dressing what do they actually do to help aborigines ?
We have friends who work on a remote Aboriginal community in the NT. Do you know those children only have schooling up to year 7. To gain a higher education they have to leave their community and move to Murray Bridge south of Adelaide and board. Consequently many choose to stay in their remote community with limited education and with little or no prospect to gain employment some might be happy with that but others are not.
There are many forms of discrimination in today’s society everyone from Governments to police to you could start by treating everyone equally and with respect and that is not happening.
A newsagent once stole from a supplier. That does not make all newsagents guilty of theft.
Black Lives Matter began as a protest against black deaths at the hands of police. The Australian arm of this has similar genesis.
As The Guardian reported yesterday (https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2020/sep/20/national-emergency-urgent-leadership-needed-after-fifth-aboriginal-death-in-custody-since-june), there have been 5 black deaths in custody in Australia since June this year.
In 1991, a Royal Commission into black deaths in custody handed down its final report, a report which has not been acted upon. There have been 441 black deaths in custody since.
To respond with look over here perpetuates our failure as a nation to deal with this horrible situation.
Are these peole -white ir Black doesn’t matter arrested or in custody for breaking the law or not?
If the situation is about lawbreakers then BLM and race colour etc should not come into it. The Law Courts can handle this.
As for indigenous status , yes I believe we can live with their 40,000 years of trading we can also fly their flag. However they still have to aboey the law of the land as citizens.
Old white male racists.
In one sentence Amanda you have said it all. age, gender -colour and race -all discriminative. Not bad when it should be for all people irrespective of colour creed or race as said in post 9.
Now you are gaslighting Graeme. Look it up. And look up racism too.
No Amanda nice try, you look it up -your statement is gaslighting not mine. it’s plain that -ALL lives matter- A lot of hype here about “news” and beat ups when there could be some healing processes buy NOT inflaming contents -such as “old white male racists” not me but nice try with a very biased comment.
Not gaslighting (making someone doubt their sanity), the thread became a straw man argument with the first post.
Anti anything will always show up, especially when people are free to express themselves without severe repercussions. I’m surprised there isn’t more antis and heartened that the vast majority are trying to help by following health directives.
Excellent explanation P.J.
My original post was not intended as a straw man comment PJ it was intended to highlight the discrimination against some groups to protest.
The issue of to wear a mask or not was not front of mind because I live in a state that hasn’t stuffed up like Mr Andrews and his team has.
Mark Richardson I am in Victoria. Your political commentary is not welcome and it has nothing to do with this topic, which is about idiot anti maskers. They are more foolish than you.
In my shop I have had several anti maskers and they are now banned for life. I won’t put up with it.
Premier Andrews has not stuffed up at all by the way. he has not spread the virus nor have his decisions spread the virus.
We are safe and well by the way. Thanks for asking.
Jeff, I totally agree with you and PJ. re strawman comment. It was acomment not made to the original Post of which Mark answered and I answered THAT comment. BLM has nothing to do with mask wearing (which I believe, wearing in public places essential) especially Public Transport or Line up situations.
The BLM argument is not (for my case so much ant racist as it discriminated (even when supporting one party whites or Blacks) support and forced some people to gang together or herd mentality as it is called today. If we promoted people and ruled the behaviour as outlandish and uncivilised I belive we could gain some ground with a collective groundswell not so divisive.
I trust everyone is coping as well as could be expected in Vic for it’s not a very nice position to be in especially when in business as well. Then again we are in this together -supply is drying up in areas intersate, money impairment in focus is diverted into two with survival immmediate versus the true position of the business. Melbourne being the Capital City for a large percentage of this distribution then again there is a knock on effect.
It enforces the collective rather than division in the equation –
Graeme I have made no comment about the strawman comment. My comment was to Mark Richardson and his unwelcome political statement.
Jeff can i ask who do you believe spread the virus so badly in Vic or who stuffed up (serious question)
Paul I am not a health worker or an epidemiologist and do not have the data. I doubt the premier spread it. He has done an excellent job leading the state through this. Now, if you point to hotel quarantine, the constitution of Australia lists quarantine as a federal responsibility. The first any state knew there would be quarantining was when the federal government announced it.
I don’t blame any politician for the initial outbreak, the Ruby Princess outbreak nor the Victorian outbreak. The test for me is how the leaders have reacted to each. dan Andrews has fronted up every day. He is a terrific leader, as is Mark McGowan in WA and Peter Gutwein in Tasmania.
The biggest stuff up as you put it is in nursing homes. They were privatised by the Howard government. While the 200 or so state nursing homes in Victoria have had little infection and death, in the private ones hundreds have died – because they are not regulated. These for profit businesses put profit ahead of people. So if I was to blame anyone it would be successive federal governments and their failure over nursing homes.